In this case you can "feel" those notes in groups of three. However, this is an outdated method, and using quarter notes as the pulse for duple time has been fairly standardized for a few centuries now. Though I agree with most of what you're saying, I think it is important to also examine the gravity and power of perception when approaching things like this I realize that the subdivision and counting you are talking about are the "standard", but for instance, in Konokol Indian rhythmic counting system they do alot of subdividing in common meters in ways that cause syncopation, accenting and polyrhthmic impulses to be felt For instance..
I think this is a crucial thing for musicians to grasp so they can really sink their teeth into permutations of rhythm, as this seems to be an area where many modern Western Civilizations' musicians are lacking At least in the US Anyways, I don't mean to come off like some sort of douche, I just thought I would add a bit more detail to an otherwise fine and comprehensive response!!!
This is completely valid. My answer was coming from a Western perspective, since it was dealing with time signatures and notation. I had an opportunity to play with a tabla master last year Pradip Ghosh , and though very "schooled" in the Indian tradition, all he needed was a number "12," "7," etc to play.
Of course, everything becomes quite a fuzzy grey area when you start trying to decide whether something is just a superimposition of a rhythm, or if it's become important enough to merit describing the meter differently. I use all of these things as guidelines and make adjustments as the situations arise.
I played with Bikram Ghish once when I lived in Israel That was an eye opening experiance, rhythmically You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.
Paste as plain text instead. Only 75 emoji are allowed. Display as a link instead. Clear editor. Upload or insert images from URL. Share More sharing options Followers 0. Is this indeed 12 8? Or am I just running counter time signatures against each other that meet up every 12 bars I mean beats..
Your melody and rhythm line up every six beats, not twelve. This poly-signature groove is interesting, and I really wouldn't worry about being "careful". In 6, the emphasised beats come every six quavers eighth notes , whereas in 12, they come half as frequently, every twelve. If you feel that the third dotted crotchet quarter note is just as loud or emphasised as the first, put the song into 6.
If you feel that, even though it's louder, it's not as pronounced as the first, then it'll be in Another way to check would be to count a slow 2, or a slow 4. That MAY answer the question. But there's another inside. Your rhythmic patten is fine, with one against another. And because the pulse combines on the first beat of each bar, there's none of the 'it'll coincide every 12 bars'. Every 12 beats, yes. Note the second half of the example.
If you never subdivide the beats in the accompaniment, or, a fortiori, if you subdivide the beats into 2, 4, 8, etc. All structures can be reduced to simpler elements and time-based phenomena in music is no exception. Anything that appears larger is a combination of 2's and 3's. You might be saying or thinking 4,5,6 but you're really counting to 3 again and linguistically labeling the 2nd instance of as Depending on where you place the accent you might be counting to 2, three times but labeling the 2nd and 3rd instances of two as "3,4" and "5,6".
Stay up all night thinking about this They are listed as follows:. It depends on how it's implemented and how you want it to be accented. They both have accents on 1 which is obvious. Notice on beat 3 on the quadruple meter there is a slight accent, but it as not as strong as the original accent on 1. That's pretty much the only real difference. Also think about when you change chords.
Your basic rhythmic element is the eighth note. Or quaver, as I have been informed. Setting text is different than melody alone, but the length of phrase will dictate whether you go 6 or It has shed a lot of light on the subject.
It's just that in different sections of the song there are different groups of bars depending on the sections, either in lots of 8 bars, 16, 6 bars or In fact the intro has some odd grouping, definitely not a multiple of 4 bars.
Led Zep are well known for some odd arrangements and different time signatures. Same with Cream, in fact quite a few of the earlier heavier rock bands that pathed the way to early heavy metal and hard rock. Tags for this Thread 12 or 8 , 6 or 8. Bookmarks Bookmarks Digg del. All times are GMT
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